The usual debate that is used to silence us, on a LESBIAN group: How MTF's have it so much worse than Butch Lesbians and women in general...my response

"I don't know what a ladystick is, but I have some trans women friends that I don't wish to see insulted. They're a part of the queer community and they are the ones who face even graver danger than us for just walking down the street. Did you ever read Stone Butch Blues ? I thought Leslie F did a wonderful job depicting the early queer community, which includes both queer and trans folks. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that several trans women were murdered in the US in the last few months. This is a group of people that deserves and needs our ally-ship and support, not more queer and transphobia."-Lady A.

MasterAmazon:

Please, don't give me that Stone Butch Blues bullshit. Or that the trans have it worse than Butch Dykes.....I've heard all that crap, while y'all continue to coopt Lesbian identity, selfhood and community. I"M DONE WITH IT. I"ve had threats and violence against me and mine AS a Butch Dyke, with another ButchDyke at the hands of men!

IF you want tit for tat, many crimes against Lesbians specifically aren't touted in the press: rape of a Lesbian, a Butch Lesbian by 4 gangmembers in Richmond, CA shortly after Prop 8 passed in 2008, and she had a rainbow sticker on her car, and she was Butch. Shooting and murder of one of two Lesbian partners in Texas, one in critical condition the other dead, just a few short weeks ago. Women all over the world who can be murdered by their spouses, brothers, uncles, male relatives if they don't wear veils, if they get raped, if they commit adultery, if they are LESBIAN they can be put to death. Women die EVERYDAY from male violence, all KINDS of women, not just MTF's. I'm tired of the boohooing, and should we take some space for ourselves, AS LESBIANS it constantly gets crashed by the rest. So, not just trans females get killed. Bio females and Dykes get killed too for being themselves and acting as if they were free, which in many parts of the world, much less the U.S., they are not. We are taking back our space, and we are taking back our communities, and NO we are NOT queer, WE ARE LESBIANS/DYKES!
-MasterAmazon

A rant...TRANS/BORG: You WILL BE ASSIMILATED! FTM gang up when refusing to attend an event that has been coopted by FTM's

To the disrespectful transFTM's who can't take a difference of opinion and get their buddies to gang up: ..you ARE the worst kind of assimilationist bigots, and yes, I certainly 'get' the Borg analogy, and when we look back in 10 years, it will be the trans community that will have assimilated in it's Borg-like way every single Butch/boyish female that comes along...convincing them of the need for hormones, surgeries, ect.....instead of PRIDE in their female minds/bodies/spirits AS Butches and AS Dykes....and that by fighting sexism and yes, LESBOPHOBIA, a Female can do any damned thing in her body/mind/spirit she sets her self to, if just given the opportunity.

What, I don't go along with the crowd, OH MY. Just keep arguing boyz. Cuz that's what 'menz' do.....force their opinions on everybody else....What? There are those who regret transitioning and are transitioning back, cuz they weren't sold on your bill of goods, the dirty little secret nobody wants to admit to? What? Young Butch/boyish/tomboy females coming out wonder where other Butches are and what's left of the Lesbian community and everyday they're asked 'when are you transitioning?', and attempting to resist that peer pressure? That taking 'T' is not enough, breast surgery is better, changing your name to something male better, and yet Dykes should have to accomodate your new found 'maleness'? While they look around and say: "No I don't want to do that...where are the Butches?" We're still here...and we are rising.......we ARE taking back our communities for ourselves and for those young ones who DON'T WANT TO BE RUBBERSTAMPED BY YOUR PEER PRESSURE CUZ YOU CAN'T DO IT ON YOUR OWN....

"You will be assimilated" NOT!
-MasterAmazon
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NOLOSE is just another sold out organization using the Lesbian title, no longer representing Lesbians, along with National Center for Lesbian Rights, and Astrae Foundation for "Lesbians"
YOU have sold us down the river, but we Dykes ARE withdrawing our support.-MasterAmazon

Ra:
@MasterAmazon - Wow, I'm disappointed to see you continuing to spread trans-fear and bigotry in our queer community spaces.

You know we disagree on this topic. I feel that we Butch Dykes continue to be strong and proud beings and that we are NOT being assimilated. If there is a delusion in this thread it is certainly your analogy equating trans-men with the Borg!

I find your sentiments on the subject to be divisive, ignorant, arrogant and full of rage. The world is an ever changing place and I for one am grateful for that. Work done by queer leaders of the past have paved the way for broader and richer definition of gender and sexuality. Your views are increasingly contracted ... trying to put queer people into a smaller and smaller box. I prefer a more expansive view of a future with a vibrant array of genders and sexualities.

Also, I'm quite offended that you are representing yourself as spokeswoman for all butch dykes by claiming that, among other untrue assertions, "we Dykes ARE withdrawing our support". Speak for yourself. I know for sure that there will plenty of dykes at the next NOLOSE conference.

MasterAmazon:
And there will be plenty who won't be Ra. Sorry you feel that way....I guess there aren't different strokes for different folks, but there ARE Female Identified Butches in many forums, who feel as I do....it's called BOUNDARIES. And we are reasserting them.
I'm not 'queer' which can mean 'anything goes' these days, I'm a DYKE.
-MasterAmazon
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